This week we’re continuing our episode with Dr. J Dunn and discussing how genetics affect your body. We’re covering:
- Vitamin D Deficiency
- Vitamin K-2 Deficiency – how do you solve it?
- How do you burn fat as fuel?
- The SLC gene
- How to kill sugar cravings
- And much more!
Dr. J Ann Dunn BS, DC, CKP, CWK, Author of the Book Wholistic Kinesiology, CEO of MyHappyGenes, creator and innovator of Wholistic Kinesiology, and Wholistic Methylation, teacher and lecturer. For over 30 years, she has researched, practiced and taught this technique to hundreds of individuals who, like her, are on a quest to find an alternative solution to allopathic medicine. She teaches practitioners around the world how to interpret genetic tests and design nutritional programs to make the most of your genetic potential.
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[00:00:00] Today on the Gut Health Reset podcast, we are covering so many issues associated with the gut, but also associated and tied to your genetics, are you struggling with bloating, gas, constipation and fatigue, but don’t know what’s causing these problems? The Gut Health Reset podcast with Dr. Ann-Marie Barter dives deep into the root causes behind these issues that start in the gut. This podcast will give you the knowledge you need to heal your gut and reset your health. Thank you so much for joining us here today on the Health Reset podcast, I am your host, Dr. Ann-Marie Barter, and today I have a returning guest who is so amazing and so awesome. And she talks about all things genetic. And her name is Dr. J. Dunn. And she is the author of a book called Holistic Kinesiology and the CEO of My Happy Genes, which has been a huge project for her and how she’s actually changed so many lives by working with the genetics. She is a creator and innovator of holistic kinesiology and holistic methylation, teacher and lecturer. For over 30 years, she has researched, practiced and taught this technique to hundreds of individuals who, like her, are on a quest to find alternative solutions to allopathic medicine. When we’re looking at, you know, for example, the vitamin D receptor, how what percentage of people would you say that you’ve seen from the testing? Would you estimate have a problem with the vitamin D receptor is some pretty darn high number. And, you know, it would be interesting to do a study on different populations because you’ll see higher amounts of that in the African-American population, lower amounts in the northern European, although it’s there. There, too. It’s it seems to vary by, you know, ethnicity, which is kind of interesting.
[00:02:14] And I think, you know, for for African-Americans, their ancestry in Africa, they they benefited from less absorption of vitamin D because they had so much exposure to, you know, to higher amounts of sunshine. And so it’s fascinating. And I think this is my own philosophy, because I just think about this. Why is this gene in our gene pool? It was advantageous at some point. There’s no mistakes here, but the body is designed to survive certain conditions. And why is that vitamin D receptor, why was that advantageous or why is it become a problem? And I think there are several things going on here. The low vitamin D person is also a low dopamine person, and they’re they’re going to be the kind of person that’s always looking for a dopamine hit. And if you think about, you know, again, I might be wrong here, but I think about who came over from England to kind of colonize this country, who came from other countries to colonize this country, people who are looking for more. You know, it wasn’t like they were satisfied with where they were. They were like, let’s go to the new world and create something amazing and big. And we are the kind of people as Americans that are like never satisfied is never enough. We have a never have enough money. We never have enough stuff. And we’re never busy enough. And you think about how we work. We’re constantly on the phone, constantly work, work, work, work out, even on weekends after hours, et cetera. We don’t we don’t stop. And that’s often a low dopamine kind of behavior. If you look at European countries, you know, they take off two or three hours in the middle of the day to chill.
[00:04:01] It’s like we’re going, oh, my God, that’s crazy. We think of all the work we could get done during that time and they take a month off during the year to go on holiday, you know, and they, like, make chilling and family and enjoying life a priority. We don’t we’re like, God, I could get behind. Oh, my gosh. You know, somebody is getting ahead of me. So I think, you know, we are selected for a low dopamine sort of state. That’s one thing. And and another thing is the vitamin K two that’s so important for that vitamin D receptor to work properly is out of our diet, largely because that’s in grass fed beef. It’s in grass fed, it’s in fermented things like nado fermented cheeses. And that’s terribly un-American food because it’s so nasty. But fermented foods, a lot of our fermented foods have to soak to being out of our diet, then inhibits that vitamin D receptor further. So there’s one hint, you know, go eat grass fed, grass fed beef and grass fed butter and and dairy products. Make sure you do grass fed because there’s there’s the Katou and some fermented foods which you and I really can’t do much of. So I think that’s another reason that that that gene is so prominent probably in our country. Is this way more than you wanted to know? No, actually, it’s great. It’s great. I was actually. Looking at something the other day and a patient of mine, one of the indicators, dark circles under the eyes can be multiple things. And I get a lot of complaints because I’m in Colorado, right. Of I have really dry, wrinkly skin and the wrinkly skin part in the dark circles, I think can be a to deficiency.
[00:05:54] So I’ve not seen that correlation. That’s it. And so there’s a correlation there. So it’s kind of an interesting dry skin, a lot more Omega Omega’s, etc. But most people can’t absorb them. Right, even if they’re doing huge amounts. Right. So. So what else would we see nutrient wise, vitamin wise missing potentially on the vitamin D receptor? Like, what are some of the minerals that people are missing? Nutrients for the vitamin D receptor? It’s a two sided receptor. So it’s got it’s got two halves and one half of it is what’s called a retinoids X receptor. It accepts vitamin A into the slot and the other side accepts vitamin D. So that two sided, I don’t know how to do the graphics. Here we go. But it requires both. And and so A is a co factor in the proper functioning that vitamin D receptor and then the Katou and the K two is the director. He’s like, we’re going to tell. So vitamin D when you get vitamin D absorption going up, you’re going to absorb minerals. It’s just part of what vitamin D does, which is cool. But the minerals, if you take them in without taking K2, as you probably know, they’re going to go right to your arteries and your kidneys and your joints. The K2 is the director. It says, you know, send this these minerals to the bones and out of the arteries. And we’re actually seeing the arteries completely clear on people who are getting their K2 and their foreign K2 Sevan’s. So, yeah, those three are the co factors of vitamin A and the D and. OK, and it’s interesting, your kinesiologist. Yeah, well to to spot vitamin D a Vdara person or somebody who’s got a variant but vitamin D on them without the cofactors and they will go weak on vitamin D is weakening to them.
[00:07:51] And that you know, I saw that for years as a kinesiologist and I’m like, that doesn’t make any sense. This person’s blood work is showing low vitamin G, but they test weak on vitamin D. That’s what is going on here. And as you know, the kinesiology is trying to tell you something. Yeah. And so check a method, you know, and just from the labs, what’s so interesting to me is looking at, for example, the vitamin D labs. I would say 70 percent of people, about 70 percent are low in vitamin D, somewhere below 20 or below 30. Yes. Across the board. And they always say the same thing. And I. Yeah, but I get outside. I’m outside a lot. Yeah. And so I take vitamin D or I take vitamin D and so that is basically a methyl basically a genetic issue. Correct. Right. Yeah. That receptor doesn’t work. So it’s like it’s like here’s the receptor. The interesting thing is those cofactors and coenzyme like the AMK change the confirmation of the receptor. So you add that in and there bam, it opens up the receptor and now D can get in. So without that receptor being open, D can’t get in. It’s just that receptors not working. So that’s what the the cofactors do. You know, if you can think of it really in physical terms, it changes the confirmation enzyme and opens it up. So now vitamin D can get in. So that person taking vitamin D, it’s not going to go in there and it’s actually going to become toxic. It’ll look like here’s their blood work. Low is low, low, low, 18, 20. You know, I’ve seen the same thing over the years. And it’s like with their body saying, no, don’t give me any D because they can’t absorb it.
[00:09:32] So you add the K and they in there and then the body test strong on D.. It’s like, yeah, give me I can do it now my receptors open, let’s bring it on. So then but I caution the listeners we don’t go out and get vitamin D and start taking them until you know what you’re going to do downstream. Things are going to happen. You’re setting things in motion. I want to go into because I know that people are out there like, but how do you burn fat as a fuel? How do you how do you do that? Like, I’ve done everything I’ve tried every diet I’m restricting, I’m doing intermittent fasting. I’m eating one meal a day. I still can’t lose weight. So can we talk about that? The S LC genetic variant. Yeah, I love that. I love that gene because that that really opened. It’s it’s right down where you get into the electron transport chain and that’s where we make energy out of our food. So that block will block you from turning fat. Into energy, and which is no fun at all, and it causes you to store fat. It’s huge. It’s a big deal. So the SLC 20 to a four and the SLC 20 to a five hour genetic variants that will keep you from burning fat as a fuel, not fun. I can tell you I’ve got those. And so ergo thinning again from mushroom’s. So we look at Reishi, my she tourky even button mushrooms have it in there and crab meat like king crab. This is this is your excuse to go out and you can crab you go with mushrooms, grass fed butter. There you go. And then that opens up again. We’re looking at the cell.
[00:11:14] How do we get fat into the cell and then into the mitochondria to make energy? That’s step number one. Boom, you’ve opened up. You open up the cell and carnitine is the next ingredient. So with your one way, you can test can physiologically test them for carnitine. If they go weak, you know that that carnitine can’t get into the cell to help you burn fat and then you add in the mushroom blends together. That’s those two together for that and for that variant, the mushrooms and the and the carnitine. And I love the carnitine fumigate. It seems to be the best form of carnitine that I’ve found will open that up. And then now you’re putting fat into the electron transport chain and you’re making energy out of it. So happy day. Happy day for a lot of people. So that’s the secret. And will you see a person generally have problems like, oh my God, I can’t stay away from carbohydrates, I need carbohydrates. I cannot do this keto, paleo, Atkins type diet. I really need carbs. Is that what you said? Present with that with that FLC 2084? Yes, absolutely. And that’s usually there’s a block in the electron transport chain there. There are other genetic variants down there, one one of which is the doofus gene. And that one requires a Koku ten. And the carnitine that one can lead to all kinds of neurological problems, but also the carb craving. You know, and I think of that as a symptom, not a personality defect, because people are embarrassed. They’re like, how can I binge on ice cream or binge on cookies? And I’m like, if you were balanced, you wouldn’t want them. And that’s been my experience is if we get that, if we get that path, we’re going glycolysis where we’re turning sugar into ATP.
[00:13:06] Essentially, that’s the Cliff Notes, if it’s working correctly. And your room, you’re going all the way down there. Your body won’t want the carbs. It’ll be like, yeah, don’t you sound good. And, you know, for somebody who’s craving carbohydrates, they’re like, I can’t even imagine that, you know, I can’t even imagine I have to make myself put down the ice cream or put down the cookies. And I’m like, that’s a symptom. You’re telling me that your body isn’t making energy. That’s all you’re telling me, because your brain is the biggest user of sugar in the body and it’s yelling at you, give me food. And so when you can generate that energy at the cellular level, your brain’s going to shut up. And it’s and that’s what I’ve seen consistently. I don’t have to tell people stop eating sugar anymore. They just go and even taste good or sound good anymore. I just stopped and it’s like, that’s cool. That’s balanced that because it’s sustainable. You know, this talking to people about just don’t eat sugar, they’ll go, yeah, OK. Can I still have my cookies. All right. Right, totally. So many people struggle with bloating, bowel issues, reinvolved fatigue. You might not even have any gut issues, but did you know the cause of it could be food sensitivities or gut infections? What I have done is I have brought a talented, functional nutritionist into my practice. We have very similar training in the nutritional world. And her name is Alexis Apple. She is awesome. So you can head on over to our website allt alti fam fam med med and have a consultation with her and schedule so that she can help you get to the root cause of your problems. I see a couple of things with carnitine.
[00:15:01] No. One, people get starving. Have you noticed that at all? If you put somebody on carnitine and they get very, very hungry, you see? Not at all. That would be that same variant. Put it put them on it. With Urgo finding some form of the mushroom blends and you’ll see that stops or you’re looking at a variant then underneath there in the electron transport chain. I think if you get a visual, it’s it’s a little more powerful. So if we look at. Here’s glycolysis, here we go from Glucose to Piru eight Stokoe and we go down into the citric acid cycle and then down into the electron transport chain. So here’s that SLC 20 to a four. And again, it requires that Urgo thinning and the carnitine, these two enzymes to the end doofus I always call it, and do this and Duff’s and maybe also require carnitine. So if you’re giving somebody carnitine and they have this genetic variant here, it will make them hungrier because it’s like backing everything up that pathway. But you can also have some issues down here in the electron transport chain. And this is where the rubber meets the road as far as how we make ATP. We go through a complex one, two, three, four and then oxidative phosphorylation. Here’s where the basic unit of energy for the body is made. But you can have genetic variants anywhere. You see a purple balloon, you can have genetic variants here. So it can impair even when you get the carnitine in there and you get the kind in there, you still have to get through this chain of chain of chain reactions to get the ATP, which is, you know, the endpoint, the energy. Do you know what the electron transport chain does? It transports electrons, Jane.
[00:17:01] I just figured that. But anyway, there are lots of things that can interfere here. We’re looking at mercury, metformin, insecticides, antibiotics, fluoride, chlorine, electromagnetic fields, radiation, heavy metals, et cetera, can interfere here. So this is where us talking to our patients about. All right, let’s get away from the e-mails and don’t brush with fluoride toothpaste and watch the chlorine in your drinking water. And, you know, are you taking medications? Are using insecticides or eating organic? That makes a difference. This is where you can show them directly. You’re interfering with your energy production. This will make you angry and this will make you gain weight. This is the direct correlation between our environment and our energy and and weight levels. So not everybody gets that. Patients don’t get that. They’re like, why should I spend more money on organic? I’ll tell you why you’re trashing your mitochondria and your energy production is going to make you tired. Oh, OK. Well, I guess it’s worth it then. Yeah. So we we look at, you know, do they need more Coke Q10 because this is Koku 10 right here. Do they need more molybdenum? Do they need more B to riboflavin because those things can interfere with the the functioning of this electron transport chain correctly. So if you put carnitine in there, you’re actually putting pressure on this. And if it can’t get through, it’s going to create problems that make sense. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And then who has not been exposed to heavy metals or things in the drinking water or fluoride or whatever it is? You know, folks have just been exposed up and down. And would you say that probably the biggest thing, because our kids generally and this is actually starting to change, but kids generally go from carbohydrate burning to fat burning to carbohydrate burning back to fat burning.
[00:19:04] But as adults somewhere, this hits a wall for us somewhere and the 19 to whatever time frame. And they’re like, well, I can’t lose weight. Well, must be menopause. It must be this. It must be, you know, whatever on stress, whatever it is. Do you feel like it’s just the exposure that has built up or what do you feel like really kind of switches like cogs up the pathway later in life? More so that’s a really good question, because it’s something I think about a lot, because I watch kids and I go, where did that energy go? Where did that metabolism go? Because it was there. You know, it’s not a genetic thing, but that’s exactly right. We’re looking at electron transport chain or mitochondrial damage that builds up in our lifetime from exposures and these exposures. A lot of them are modern day exposures, the medications, the electromagnetic fields, those pesticides, a lot of the chemicals in our environment, heavy metals, those are all modern day kind of problems. So no wonder we’re obese, we’re tired, we’re gaining weight easily. Our metabolism sucks. And for this person, too, here’s the other thing that I find is that they won’t be able to exercise these people when they have damage done in this area here, don’t have any fuel in the tank. And so they go out, people say, well, just get off your back, go out and exercise like you don’t understand. It makes me feel terrible. And I was one of those people, too. It’s like, God, I feel worse when I exercise. It takes me a couple of days to recover until I started working on my electron transport chain and my and this this whole area in here and now, it feels good when I exercise and I want to.
[00:20:47] So this is another area where it was like a paradigm shift, you know, where we talk to our patients about, all right, get regular exercise and they look at you like you don’t understand. You don’t understand. OK, I know I should. Or they feel guilty or they beat themselves up because they can’t or they don’t feel good. It’s like, yeah, I know I should. But then when they have energy, when they have cellular energy, they go, I want to, I want to go. Let’s go for a walk. You know, let’s let’s go. So. It was it was, again, that paradigm shift. They won’t be hungry and they’ll want to exercise and their metabolism will turn on. And that was really fun to see. I had one patient that used the first one I saw this with. She was terribly obese and she’d fly down from New York to see me in New Mexico and she had to buy two seats. She was so big. And, you know, I knew she was over eating. And, you know, it’s like anybody on this planet that doesn’t know sugar causes weight gain. I don’t think so. Anybody that doesn’t know that smoking causes lung cancer? I don’t think so. I don’t think that news has not gotten out there. But and we had been working on kinds of stuff. She had a lot of cardiovascular issues, et cetera. And I put her on eventually I put her on a program for this and she called me up and she was crying. And I said, What’s going on, Elaine? And she’s like I she said, I didn’t want to tell you, but I was binge eating like a whole bag of Oreo cookies almost every night. And she said, I don’t even want them anymore.
[00:22:16] She said, I realize it’s not my fault. And I feel like my metabolism suddenly just turned on, like the lights came on. And I was like, yeah, that’s exactly what you should feel. And the weight just started to kind of come off of her. So it’s it’s backwards. It’s backwards from what we’ve been taught, like talk to them about their diet and their exercise and now restrict these foods and that I’m saying get the body fixed and it won’t want those foods and it won’t you know, the energy will be there to exercise. It’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. Well, so I you know, I guess I would like to wrap up today. I feel like we’ve covered a lot. I still feel like we have so much to cover, so much more to cover. But this has been wonderful. So where, where can people find you if they want to get in touch with you and get this genetic test run? Good question. If you just go to my happy genes, all one word, my happy genes .com, you can get your testing done there. And for the listeners, what I’ll do is I’ll put in a coupon for twenty five dollars off and we’ll call it fearless. Twenty five. If they put that in when they check out, if they’re interested in buying the DNA test and seeing if they do have that media or the SLC twenty two a day or the A’s or the analysis, just some of the genes we’ve talked about, especially those ones down in the electron transport chain. This is the way to find out and this is a way to find out what’s your best diet for use. That’s kind of cool. So, yeah, capital fearless.
[00:23:58] Twenty five. And then when you get your your DNA testing done, it’s all private, too. That’s the good news, is we never share your data and your your information is only tracked by a barcode. So your name is never on there. It’s very private, which is which is not true of a lot of the DNA testing sites that are happening right now. So that’s my story. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being here. And thank you, everybody, for listening. If you like what we’re doing, please subscribe. Say hello. Let us know what you want to hear more of and we will talk to you soon. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening to the Gut Health Refat podcast. Please make sure you subscribe. Leave a rating and review some more. People can hear about the podcast. And hey, take a screenshot of this episode and tag Dr. Amerie on Instagram or Facebook at Dr. Ann-Marie Barter. And for more resources, just visit Dr. Ann-Marie Barter .com.